Monday March 10, 2008

Update on the Edison Case: the school police are so disgusted with the way the situation was handled they’re holding a vote of no confidence in the chief. In other news, the arrest records from the brawl are a mess, which will make it almost impossible to try any of the students. To me, the latter news suggests the police arrested way more people then they should have — had they cuffed only those they knew had done something violent the records would be easy to produce correctly.

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  1. b.a.c.    Mon Mar 10, 01:25 PM #  

    Miami police arresting people first and asking questions later. Should we be surprised?



  2. Jorge    Mon Mar 10, 01:44 PM #  

    Don’t blame the Miami Police Department, they were doing their job. If you’ve never been in that type of incident, don’t talk (or write in this case).

    Picture yourself as a Police Officer where there is utter chaos. You observe a kid throwing bottles, you arrest him, but you are not finished. There are 50-60 other kids that need to be handcuffed in order to quell the violence. How do you expect an officer to write detailed reports on each individual kid? Maybe some officers could have been more dilligent? Possibly, but don’t knock it unless you’ve been there.

    There was enough probable cause to arrest those kids and temporarily get them of the streets to cool off. This probable cause is different than the PC needed to prosecute. So don’t write that they arrested far more kids than they should have. That entire school needs arresting, starting with the kids and going up. That school should be called “Levinsworth”.

    Secondy, there is a vote of no confidence for Chief Darling for other reasons and not for the Edison fiasco. look it up, do some research before writing this bologne!



  3. Jorge    Mon Mar 10, 01:47 PM #  

    By the way, who writes this stuff and why don’t you identify yourself?
    hmmm



  4. mae    Mon Mar 10, 01:55 PM #  

    thanks for following up on this topic



  5. mad hatter    Mon Mar 10, 02:01 PM #  

    Jorge is correct and what you’re seeing is one of the unfortunate quirks of our legal system.

    Rgardless, those who got arrested got a nice look a life inside the graybar inn. Those “honor students” will think twice next time before acting up.



  6. Stefan    Mon Mar 10, 02:04 PM #  

    i wanna see some “my child was an honor student with perfect attendance & is now in prison” stickers on their mom’s suv!



  7. NicFitKid    Mon Mar 10, 02:09 PM #  

    You are reading Critical Miami — commentary about culture, politics, and hedonistic pursuits in our city, written by Alesh Houdek. See about for more info or e-mail suggestions or questions.

    Replicated in this comment from the original sidebar paragraph to accommodate your disabilities in reading, retention, and comprehension, Jorge.



  8. Timba    Mon Mar 10, 02:19 PM #  

    The author: Alesh Houdek was born in Prague, Czech Republic, and has lived in Miami since 1980. In addition to being one handsome devil, he is or has been an artist, musician, theorist, graphic designer, vegetarian, photographer, raver, record store clerk, and drunk. He has a self-inflicted tatoo, a 69” couch, a domain other then this one, and a cat named Sophie.

    Sounds like a D-bag to me.



  9. alesh    Mon Mar 10, 02:27 PM #  

    Ouch, that stings, Timba.

    In any case, I don’t think comments that include comments like the following are worth trying to reply to:

    That entire school needs arresting, starting with the kids and going up.

    We see pretty well where you’re coming from. As for “look it up,” here’s the first line of the Herald article:

    Spurred by months of plunging morale and the handling of last week’s melee at Edison High, Miami-Dade Schools police officers decided Saturday to hold a vote of no confidence against Chief Gerald Darling.



  10. mad hatter    Mon Mar 10, 03:35 PM #  

    What’s with all the animosity here? In the words of infamous street philosopher, and well-rounded criminal, Rodney King: “Can’t we all just get along?”



  11. Jorge    Mon Mar 10, 04:07 PM #  

    Alesh,
    I have an idea. I invite you to spend one week at Edison High School. Just hang around the halls, observe some classes, etc. This will help two-fold. It will enhance your journalistic career and it will qualify you as an experienced writer in this topic.

    But right now, all you are is an artist, musician, theorist, graphic designer, vegetarian, photographer, raver, record store clerk, and drunk with nothing to speak for about Edison High or the Miami Police Department.

    P.S. Sorry if I come across a bit harsh, but I have lived what you are trying to write about. Trust me….it’s all shit.



  12. alesh    Mon Mar 10, 04:19 PM #  

    Jorge~

    Thanks for the offer. In what capacity do you work at Edison?

    I spent two years attending Miami Central High, which is generally considered to be on par with Edison in terms of these types of problems. There was never a riot while I was there, but it’s not difficult for me to imagine.

    Nonetheless, it seems to me that with your attitude and contempt for the students, perhaps you should be working somewhere else.



  13. alex    Mon Mar 10, 05:12 PM #  

    Not to stir any more antipathy here but: the school police is pissed off at chief Darling for NOT letting them get even more rowdy with the students. They specifically refer to his orders to stand down and not send any more police officers to an already chaotic situation.

    From the Herald article linked:

    “Some members said Saturday that during the ruckus, Darling tried to hold back officers from coming to the aid of officers at the school.

    […]

    “Police officers were asked to `stand down,’ to prevent the situation from intensifying and to minimize the number of students arrested. This was consistent with district policy that some infractions by students should be decriminalized, in order that students not be arrested and face criminal records that would follow them throughout their lifetimes,” the statement said.

    So Darling really prevented even more arrests.



  14. Jorge    Mon Mar 10, 05:31 PM #  

    I work in the sanitation section. Yes that is a fancy word for janitor. Anyway, please come by, you can start tomorrow, I have extra mops. You may need to look a bit dishoveled to fit in. Just loosen your shirt and wrinkle it.

    Anyway, I don’t know about Miami Central High, I am not qualified to speak about that school, but spend one day in this rathole and your reporting will change. I used to be pro-life until I started working here. Now, it’s a “kill em all” mentality for me. Anyway come by and check me out.



  15. b.a.c.    Mon Mar 10, 05:59 PM #  

    Cops wanting to use more force. Since when has that gone well? Anyone? I think darling did the right thing. The more cops you send the more you antagonize a crowd. What did the cops want, riot gear and water cannons?

    Jorge: Hate your job, get a new one. It’s pretty simple, I’m sure your janitorial credentials at such a shitty school will land you a plum plunger job in an upscale area.



  16. swampthing    Mon Mar 10, 09:36 PM #  

    Gentelemen, your word-smithing trumps your civility, somebody call Clay Shaw. I was one of the few brown kids at edison in 1975, that’s where i lost my virginity. Today kids at school can loose allot more. The whole mess is a cry for help, our community is in shambles. thanks be to nay-sayers and the fastest growing carreer opportunities… public service aka slide towards autoritarianism.



  17. Jorge    Tue Mar 11, 12:02 AM #  

    Swampthing,
    Please translate into english, I did not register that.



  18. DCvision    Tue Mar 11, 08:14 AM #  

    Edison High school has problems, it has had problems for years, and will continue to have problems for time to come. The problems are cultural, financial, and general to the whole school system as well. The “riot” was an outcry of the kids against behavior that may have been perceived, or blown out of proportion. Miami Schools Police (not the Miami Police) are underpaid , and quite often simply serve as a training ground for officers that spend 2 years there, then move to higher paying positions for other departments.
    Many schools are managed and run as correctional institutions, rather than educational ones. The real criminals and the ones behind most of the problems in the schools, are our elected officials in Tallahassee, the ones that consistently under-fund our schools. (FL is ranked 50th in per capita school funding, only ahead of Wash.DC)



  19. swampthing    Tue Mar 11, 09:17 AM #  

    yo jorge bro, did you get your GED yet? Big house rules apply out here also, disrespect and you will be dizzed, out a dude and you will be outed (also blog etiquette). FYI Clay Shaw, the consummate politician, knows how to negotiate and compromise… he is also an edison alumni. ‘No child left behind’ should mean just that, don’t give up on any kid. But the facts contradict the intentions. With severe funding cuts, vouchers and the charter school craze, failing schools are punished and left behind, kickem’ when their down, right. For those who wish to dismanttle public education, this is a win. But who is really failing here… is it the adults of our community and leaders in Tallahassee. With all the funding cut to public education, there is no lack of dollars to train tomorrows authoritarian followers. private for profit jails are filling up fast.

    authoritarian |əˌθôriˈte(ə)rēən; ôˌθär-| |ɔˈθɔrəˌtɛriən| |əˈθɔrəˌtɛriən| |ɔːθɒrɪˌtɛːrɪən|
    adjective
    favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, esp. that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom : the transition from an authoritarian to a democratic regime.
    • showing a lack of concern for the wishes or opinions of others; domineering; dictatorial : he had an authoritarian and at times belligerent manner.



  20. squathole    Tue Mar 11, 10:10 AM #  

    If I were Jorge (and I’m not), I’d feel the same way he does. Who wants to work with a big bunch of braying ignorant adolescents in a prison-like fortress where they don’t want to be? And worse, he’s the one who has to clean up after them.

    I’d feel the same way, for the same reasons, if I were a teacher or a counselor or the principal. I’m not cut out to work with kids, and frankly, I hate them. Kids smell like ass.

    This doesn’t suggest that it’s okay to abuse or arrest them, take away their civil rights, or treat them like shit. Which may well be exactly what happened: I don’t know, and evidently, nobody else does, either.

    Point: for Jorge, move on. Pack up your extra mops and get out of there. “Kill ‘em all” is the wrong attitude to pack every day for lunch. To deal with kids at any level, you need special skills. I sure don’t have them, and clearly you don’t either.

    Father rapers, dog fuckers, axe murderers, cop killers, they all get protection under the law. They all have civil rights. Sorry. Often, the rule works better than its individual applications. Live with it.



  21. Jorge    Tue Mar 11, 10:44 AM #  

    Swampthing,

    It wasn’t the words that I did not understand.
    You can’t just look up words in a thesauras and inject them into a sentence as you please. Bro, I think the one needs serious grammar lessons is you my friend. Have your mom proof read your blog write-ups before you submit them.



  22. swampthing    Tue Mar 11, 11:14 AM #  

    are you on leave from the janitorialistic detail, or black-berryin’ from the broom closet.

    humans have been oral much longer than we have been literate. reading is nice but literacy is over-rated. Just look around, we are a people of pictures.

    apologies, let’s keep this about the kids.

    thanks to the moderator for keeping silliness open.



  23. mad hatter    Tue Mar 11, 12:13 PM #  

    Question to all of you regarding the so-called policy of “decriminalizing” offenses rather than blemishing a student’s record forever.

    Do you recall the Antwan Easterling case of a year ago? This was the one where Easterling, star running back for the Northwestern Bulls, had sex in a school bathroom with a 14 year-old female. The girl’s mother reported the incident to school administrators who propmptly did nothing, lest they blemish this young man’s record and foreclose any future opportunities in higher education. Meanwhile, the girl became an outcast at school for having reported the incident to administrators while good ole’ Antwan continued in his role as the reigning Big Man On Campus.

    When school police (MDSPD) became aware of the situation after a chance encounter with the girl’s mother, the department began an investigation. Upon learning of MDSPD’s investigation, the Superintenent’s office stepped-in and told the department to “stand down” because this matter needed to be handled administratively rather than criminally.

    The incident was handled so well that Antwan led the Bulls to the state championship, the girl was Baker Acted after attempting suicide and Mr. Easterling was able to pursue higher education without this unfortunate blemish on his record.

    Where’s Antwan now? Well, he was expelled from Southern Mississippi University after being arrested there, not to mention that he had already been suspended from the football team prior to that.

    You all want these kids to be treated with kid gloves (pardon the pun). The problem is that when these kids see that their actions have no real consequence besides a brief sojourn at the JAC or a couple of hours at the police station, they continue their bad behavior and get even more brazen as they continue to push the envelope and see how far they can go.

    Sure, it’s unfortuante when a good kid gets arrested. Yes, that mistake will unfortunately follow them. However, one incident will not foreclose on a promising future. Conversely, a kid that is allowed to throw things and spit at police now without consequence will later be throwing punches or worse at officers when he’s involved in a future incident. Let’s stop pussyfooting around our kids and set firm boundaries for them.



  24. Jorge    Tue Mar 11, 12:21 PM #  

    Madhatter,
    I can not respond to your last post because there is nothing more to say to that.

    However, are you male or female?…I think you are my soulmate. If you are female, lets hook up. Meet me at the Edison High Sanitation Engineer office today at 5:00 PM.
    If you are male, disregard, Jorge only has room for the fems.



  25. l'elk!    Tue Mar 11, 02:27 PM #  

    i like string cheese



  26. squathole    Tue Mar 11, 02:56 PM #  

    “If you are male, disregard, Jorge only has room for the fems.”

    Odd comment for a guy in the (broom) closet.