Friday October 5, 2007

The City of Miami will pay $160,000 and the county $300,000, in a settlement with 20 victims of police brutality/abuse during the 2003 FTAA protests. Our pal Tamara even throws in a few choice Chief Timoney quotes from back then, like calling protesters “pussies.”

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  1. kingofrance    Fri Oct 5, 05:09 PM #  

    It is worth noting that the city paid out 4.5 MILLION in the Haney class action lawsuit. The lawsuit originated in the strip searching of female FTAA protesters.



  2. b.a.c.    Fri Oct 5, 07:12 PM #  

    Alesh: I think we are vindicated when we say “FUCK DA POLICE”…



  3. Rick    Fri Oct 5, 08:19 PM #  

    And if you, Alesh or any of your loved ones ever need their assistance, you can still count on them, 24/7, no matter how much you would love to take them out.

    And that is why their job sucks so very much.

    .



  4. NicFitKid    Sat Oct 6, 12:17 AM #  

    So do you have a rational criticism of the verdicts in the FTAA lawsuits, Rick, or is your comment just another unthinking reflex spasm in defense of improper police conduct?



  5. Rick    Sat Oct 6, 07:54 AM #  

    NFK: I never defend improper conduct by the police. You know that because you read SotP. But I refuse to say all police are a-holes because the actions of a few.

    It’s a very simple concept, really, that makes me wonder if b.a.c. and Alesh do this type of stereotyping with any other segment of our society.

    As far as the verdicts go, the City of Miami PD needs to be taken to the cleaners and fined 5X’s what the final amounts were so that it stops simply becoming the cost of doing business for them and Miami taxpayers.

    I would also totally support the criminal prosecution of those officers involved in the most egregious cases of abuse of their authority during the FTAA, particularly the one who fired rubber bullets at the woman in the street with the sign.

    Check your condescending attitude at the door, NFK. It’s a waste of words.

    .



  6. NicFitKid    Sat Oct 6, 02:49 PM #  

    Glad to hear you still recognize the FTAA crackdown as improper police conduct. From the tone of your initial comment, it sounded like you had done a volte-face on the issue.

    As for my “condescending attitude”, it’s difficult to take that particular jibe seriously when your blog is regularly peppered with Stupid Criminal and Darwin Award posts (oh, lookit the idjits! We’re so much better than ‘em!). Let’s not forget your nasty habit of deploying personal attacks and invective when confronted by readers who critique your posts.

    It’s funny, because I agree with about 80% of your politics (at least as represented by your blog, not knowing you personally), but your style, tone, and rhetoric leave me cold. I know this because I read SotP, and that’s the problem. Why am I still reading it?

    Thanks for your efforts, but I’m done keeping up. Good luck in your endeavors.



  7. alesh    Sat Oct 6, 04:13 PM #  

    “. . . no matter how much you would love to take them out.”

    huh?



  8. Rick    Sat Oct 6, 05:33 PM #  

    NFK: very rarely do “critiques” occur at SotP without the usual profanity, name-calling, or put downs.

    Take your good pal, Alesh, for example, who has made it a project of his to weigh in on just about everything about me and SotP at one time or another. From where I live to how I live to what I drive to how I feel about Cuban-Americans…I mean there isn’t anything that Alesh hasn’t commented negatively on. So when he stumbles home drunk one night and decides to launch into another rambling invective against me and SotP, tell me, NFK, how should I respond? Maybe I should just ignore him and let him continue on thinking that things are cool? I don’t know, NFK. Tell me.

    I’m sorry to see you go. No, really, I am. But it’s also become apparent to me through this comment thread and some other comments you’ve made, that SotP’s topics and our readership and commenters just don’t meet your standards.

    Maybe it’s just another one of my unthinking and reflexive responses here, but the way I look at it, we lose readers, we gain readers all the time. SotP isn’t for everyone. It was never meant to be.

    Adios.

    .



  9. DJ Kremlin    Sat Oct 6, 06:09 PM #  

    I know I’m going to get ripped for saying this, but personally I didn’t see anything improper in the way the whole thing was handled. There was a real threat of violence and the city did what it had to to preempt said violence.

    I do believe that a strong arm police force is the right way to go, provided that the laws around their actions are adequate and not completely overbearing.

    So as I said in the beginning of this post, I personally don’t see a problem with the way the whole thing was handled. I know Timoney has received a bad reputation with all this, but to be perfectly frank, crime has decreased in Miami since he took the reigns and I commend him and Mayor Diaz for it. Could more be done? Sure, there is always room for improvement.

    You have to remember that Miami is a special city, this place has so many different cultures, many of whom are used to violence in there own countries. Many believe that violence is the only way to protest. Taking that into account the city did what it had to to ensure a safe environment for all who did not participate in the protests.

    Just my 2 cents.
    Go easy please!



  10. dm    Sun Oct 7, 01:44 AM #  

    The police were justified to think that the protesters could resort to violence, but in many cases they didn’t even try to differentiate between the protesters who might have been potentially dangerous and the ones who were protesting peacefully.

    They targeted everyone, indiscriminately. There was the woman who was holding a sign and got a rubber bullet in her face. Also – I don’t remember whether it was a cameraman – a member of the media got hit as well, and so were many more. Yes, you put yourself at risk if you go to this type of demonstrations, but the behavior of the police in that instance was excessively aggressive, and if anything, it proved the point of the protesters. I went to the concert that the protesters held the night before the protests because I was following this very closely. I also saw a documentary about it at the Miami Beach Cinematheque, and it showed a lot of people who were hurt unnecessarily.

    Even the media reported the incident without any concern for journalistic ethics. The reporters were clearly biased against the protesters, even mocking them on the air. I saw this at what was then called the WB channel, and it was a big disappointment (not that I had any respect for that channel anyway, but you’d expect some standards from the reporters).

    Nonetheless, whoever says that the answer is to do away with the police is only hiding his or her naiveté beneath a controversial statement.



  11. alesh    Sun Oct 7, 03:14 PM #  

    dm~ Whoever said “that the answer is to do away with the police” ?

    Apparently nobody, as nobody said anything about “taking them out,” as evidenced by Rick’s ignoring of #7.



  12. dm    Sun Oct 7, 04:42 PM #  

    Whoever said do away with the police? The same people who say “fuck the police”! Why do you need to take things so literally? Jeez!



  13. alesh    Sun Oct 7, 07:42 PM #  

    dm~

    Uhh… no. The line is “fuck da police.” It’s a quote from an NWA song, and best understood in the same sense as “fuck the landlord,” or “fuck the president.” My “all police are assholes” line was stronger then that, and even that was intended as hyperbole (which was obvious to everyone except Rick).

    If you take “Fuck da police” as a call for doing away with the institution, then YOU my friend are the one taking things too literally. (And I say that as someone who agreed with the preceding 90% of your comment.)



  14. Rick    Sun Oct 7, 10:43 PM #  

    Wrong answer, Alesh. As long as you’re nickel and diming your readers, it’s Fuck Tha Police, smart guy.

    The same song also contains this lyric…

    I’m a sniper with a hell of a scope
    Takin out a cop or two, they can’t cope with me

    and…oh my, would you look at that…this one too…

    Takin out a police would make my day

    “Takin out a police”…imagine that.

    Any other jive quotes you want to share with us, Alesh?

    .



  15. dm    Sun Oct 7, 10:47 PM #  

    Hey Alesh, I know where the line comes from, and I understand perfectly what it means. You are the one who doesn’t seem to understand that what I said was not a direct reference to what you or anyone said. Nonetheless, I seem to have struck an oversensitive cord.

    Anyway, it doesn’t matter because I see that the atmosphere here is not conductive to friendly and relaxed exchanges, but to hasty criticism. Oh, that’s right, the blog’s name is Critical Miami: I should have taken it literally and understood that it is about criticism for criticism’s sake.



  16. alesh    Sun Oct 7, 11:09 PM #  

    Rick~

    OK, I get it now. When B.A.C. said “FUCK DA POLICE” in #2, you made the connection to the NWA song, looked up the lyrics, and that’s how you got to the notion that he “would love to take them out.”

    That’s pretty good. Several dainty leaps short of making sense, but I have to commend you on your knowledge of west-coast hip-hop.

    dm~

    My point is that both of you have taken criticism with police as a call to do away with the institution.

    Sorry if I ruffled any feathers, but the point is that no such call has ever been made, even in jest (despite Rick’s contortions). So… did you have any point with the last line of that comment or didn’t you?



  17. nonee moose    Mon Oct 8, 02:43 PM #  

    Who threw that spitball?!?!?

    Fuck tha teacher.



  18. mad truth    Fri Oct 12, 11:16 AM #  

    oohh shit, good settlement but those protestor kids don’t really need the money they have trustfunds how about giving some of that back to the community that was getting fucked before, during and after the FTAA: overtown.

    oh ps- fuckthapolice is cliche. comeon, “copkilla”.
    get on it.